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| 5 reasons why the 718 is better than the 981 (to be taken with a LARGE grain of salt) Roger987 - 8 years ago |
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My thoughts:
Turbocharging adds weight, complexity, heat, and increased maintenance/repair expense.The turbo 4 may or may not sound as good as the flat 6. Likely, it won't sound as good; there's only so much a f*rt-can exhaust can do.
Lava Orange? As a premium colour? I'll pass.
The 986, 987, 981, and 718 will all be known 'Boxsters'
Carplay??? Sigh
The 718 purchase price will be more than that of the 981, fuel mileage gains may or may not occur in the real world, and the long-term maintenance cost will be higher.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/07/2016 03:41PM by Roger987. (view changes)
My thoughts:
Turbocharging adds weight, complexity, heat, and increased maintenance/repair expense.The turbo 4 may or may not sound as good as the flat 6. Likely, it won't sound as good; there's only so much a f*rt-can exhaust can do.
Lava Orange? As a premium colour? I'll pass.
The 986, 987, 981, and 718 will all be known 'Boxsters'
Carplay??? Sigh
The 718 purchase price will be more than that of the 981, fuel mileage gains may or may not occur in the real world, and the long-term maintenance cost will be higher.
Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/07/2016 03:41PM by Roger987. (view changes)
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| carlos in Montreal - 8 years ago |
| Re: 718 in a word - YUCK Roger987 - 8 years ago |
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carlos in Montreal
Don't knock the 4 Turbo. I have a 2L in my big Passt CC coupled with the DSG transmission...and this thing moves.
I agree, Carlos, that turbo-charging can generate impressive numbers, particularly out of a small-displacement engine.
My '14 Allroad has a 2.0 litre turbo (rated, perhaps, with even higher h.p. and torque), and it moves too, as does the fuel gauge during 'spirited' driving
| the govmint *NM* Guenter in Ontario - 8 years ago |
 *NM* carlos in Montreal - 8 years ago |
Unfortunately, international goverments  *NM* db997S - 8 years ago |
| Re: 5 reasons why the 718 is better than the 981 (to be taken with a LARGE grain of salt) Guenter in Ontario - 8 years ago |
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Roger987
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My thoughts:
Turbocharging adds weight, complexity, heat, and increased maintenance/repair expense.The turbo 4 may or may not sound as good as the flat 6. Likely, it won't sound as good; there's only so much a f*rt-can exhaust can do.
The 718 purchase price will be more than that of the 981, fuel mileage gains may or may not occur in the real world, and the long-term maintenance cost will be higher.
I'm sure the 718 Boxster gets better mileage on the official (European) test circuit. (nothing official in Canada or US yet). Question is, just how often, if ever, is acceleration in these tests enough to bring the turbo into play. It would be interesting to drive a 718 Boxster and 981S (since they're fairly close in power) in an equally "sporting" manner and see just what kind of real world fuel saving there would be.
With the turbo, you've got a 2 liter engine cranking out roughly the same power the old 3.4 liter six did. How much more stress does that put on the smaller engine? (Again, thinking, this is a sports car. Let's drive it as one.). Then there's the extra heat put out by the turbo (although as Chris pointed out, it could save you having to buy the optional heated seats.)
It's going to take a lot of driving to save that extra $4,500 CDN for the 718 Boxster and extra $5,000 CDN for the S. On the plus side, Porsche says you'll be able to buy a Cayman for less when they come out a little later.
MikenOH - 8 years ago |
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Guenter in Ontario
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Roger987
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My thoughts:
Turbocharging adds weight, complexity, heat, and increased maintenance/repair expense.The turbo 4 may or may not sound as good as the flat 6. Likely, it won't sound as good; there's only so much a f*rt-can exhaust can do.
The 718 purchase price will be more than that of the 981, fuel mileage gains may or may not occur in the real world, and the long-term maintenance cost will be higher.
I'm sure the 718 Boxster gets better mileage on the official (European) test circuit. (nothing official in Canada or US yet). Question is, just how often, if ever, is acceleration in these tests enough to bring the turbo into play. It would be interesting to drive a 718 Boxster and 981S (since they're fairly close in power) in an equally "sporting" manner and see just what kind of real world fuel saving there would be.
With the turbo, you've got a 2 liter engine cranking out roughly the same power the old 3.4 liter six did. How much more stress does that put on the smaller engine? (Again, thinking, this is a sports car. Let's drive it as one.). Then there's the extra heat put out by the turbo (although as Chris pointed out, it could save you having to buy the optional heated seats.)
It's going to take a lot of driving to save that extra $4,500 CDN for the 718 Boxster and extra $5,000 CDN for the S. On the plus side, Porsche says you'll be able to buy a Cayman for less when they come out a little later.
Turbo heated--that's a "hot" one.
Putting the styling and exhaust issue aside for a moment, i think the base 718 could be a "smoking" deal with those perf. stats coupled with the PDK. IIRC, turbos seem to work better with an auto and a quick shifting one like the PDK will be well suited with it.
Regarding the extra heat and additional wear, I don't know how you get around it, especially with the limited amount of engine room space in the mid-engine arrangement.
Regarding exhaust note, in my mind the question is whether the noise will be objectionable enough to offset the strong points of the car. We'll know soon.
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Gary, I'm afraid the notion of a "proper sports car" is quickly being lost on the newest generation of Porsche buyers to the point where the transmission choice will start and end with the letters PDK.
I think I posted an earlier comment about how impressed I was with a friends recent purchase of a 997.2 C4S cab. The PDK equipped car with the sport chrono setup went through the gears like the proverbial F1 car with near instantaneous up and down shifts--a real hoot to drive.
Having said that, I've never tired of going through the gears with our 981S and with the top down in the summer on a winding road, it's one of those sensations that's tough to beat.
We recently picked up '16' Mustang Ecoboost and the transmission choice was never in doubt--the 6spd manual, which seems at least as good as the setup than the 981.
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| Re: 5 reasons why the 718 is better than the 981 (to be taken with a LARGE grain of salt) Guenter in Ontario - 8 years ago |
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MikenOH
Regarding the extra heat and additional wear, I don't know how you get around it, especially with the limited amount of engine room space in the mid-engine arrangement.
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I agree. I don't think there's a way around that extra heat and wear. That's exactly my concern, specially for those people who like to keep their cars for a longer time.
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*NM*| More h.p and torque, earlier in the rev band, but 'not as easy to fall under this Porsche's spell' Roger987 - 8 years ago |
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"It just doesn't have that same spine-tingling howl"...
More comfortable, easier to drive, higher fuel mileage... "but hang on, those aren't the qualities of a 911"
Amen, Sister
"It just doesn't have that same spine-tingling howl"...
More comfortable, easier to drive, higher fuel mileage... "but hang on, those aren't the qualities of a 911"
Amen, Sister
| Re: More h.p and torque, earlier in the rev band, but 'not as easy to fall under this Porsche's spell' Guenter in Ontario - 8 years ago |
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Roger987
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"It just doesn't have that same spine-tingling howl"...
More comfortable, easier to drive, higher fuel mileage... "but hang on, those aren't the qualities of a 911"
Amen, Sister
Not bad mileage. She said she got almost 30 mpg. but that's Imperial gallons based on her accent, steering wheel and road position. Once you drive it State side, that becomes almost 25 mpg. In the parts shows in the video, I doubt the turbo kicked in a lot. If I drive my gas guzzling 3.4 liter Boxster S in a similar fashion, I get about 27 - 29 mpg (US).
| I would guess that.. grant - 8 years ago |
The turbo, added to a smaller block with 2/3 the moving parts (roughly) in net reduces weight substantially.
It also flattens the torque curve.
The "cost" is lag ( no matter how small) and complexity/heat as noted.
It seems every generation of turbos has "finally vanquished turbo lag". Funny how the next one does the same to it.
but i've had a built several turbo cars over the years, and they definitely have upsides.
Grant
Grant
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It also flattens the torque curve.
The "cost" is lag ( no matter how small) and complexity/heat as noted.
It seems every generation of turbos has "finally vanquished turbo lag". Funny how the next one does the same to it.
but i've had a built several turbo cars over the years, and they definitely have upsides.
Grant
Grant
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| Re: I would guess that.. Roger987 - 8 years ago |
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grant
The turbo, added to a smaller block with 2/3 the moving parts (roughly) in net reduces weight substantially.
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Grant
Apparently the 718 is actually heavier (about 190 lbs heavier) than the 981
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| the way of the world grant - 8 years ago |
a 914 is about 2000 lbs. 986 2800-2900
A 1980 rabbit ~ 2000 lbs Current golf ~3000, or more
Heck, the "land yachts" of the 60s weight about the same as today's large sedans.
All those motors, airbags, crush zones, sound deadening and soft-touch plastics add up!
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Grant
gee-lenahan-at-gee-mail-dot-com
A 1980 rabbit ~ 2000 lbs Current golf ~3000, or more
Heck, the "land yachts" of the 60s weight about the same as today's large sedans.
All those motors, airbags, crush zones, sound deadening and soft-touch plastics add up!
G
Grant
gee-lenahan-at-gee-mail-dot-com
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