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Message: Well.... Driving Impressions
Changed By: Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S)
Change Date: May 31, 2013 10:16AM
Well.... Driving Impressions
Change Date: May 31, 2013 10:16AM
Well.... Driving Impressions
BRZ is 200HP @ 2762 LBS therefore a bit underpowered to me. me but nice and light. I think he paid about $27,000 for it.... One hell of a deal for a car this price.
My impressions given I've driven the car three times. Fun as heck! A really fun sports car. I think they really got it right with this car. I also love the looks. I think these looks are stylized to the times, targeted to younger folks, and may not look good in five years or so, but still a good looking car. Boxster styling was more unique and therefore more timeless. The Toyota chassis appears very stiff to me... but the metal overall seems thin - I don't know if this is bad, but I was impressed with what looked to me like an inexpensive chassis. Interior stuff seemed adequate... not luxury but not cheap either. Seats were designed for holding you in, not ease of getting in and out; this is another clue that the car was targeted to enthusiasts. The seats were more performance than my 2000 Boxster S's standard seats.
My friend spent one day at Summit Point with the car and was disappointed. The car was clearly designed to a price point, so if you really want to track the car, you need to do some upgrades... so he said. He experienced brake fade for one thing, and big plowing. The brakes, as Grant recommended, may be improved by different pads and performance fluid.... which he did purchase but we haven't installed yet. The plowing.... well, some are just putting slicks or bigger tires on it, or, as my friend did, highly adjustable coil overs to adjust the suspension geometry. Our Porsches, are track ready right from the showroom floor; of course if you put on some slicks, you will have to do some upgrades, but in general, you won't experience brake fade if you drive a Porsche right from the dealer to the track.
Others are suggesting oil-coolers which are actually really easy to install. This Subaru is really easy to work on with tons of space and access. It appears they designed the car for enthusiasts IMHO. One guy said the higher oil temps will lower horsepower.... Hmm........ but, the track guys are buying the oil coolers. Other common upgrades are brakes, wheels etc.
So, my friend has a track day coming up in a few weeks so if you are interested, I can post his report with these changes.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
My impressions given I've driven the car three times. Fun as heck! A really fun sports car. I think they really got it right with this car. I also love the looks. I think these looks are stylized to the times, targeted to younger folks, and may not look good in five years or so, but still a good looking car. Boxster styling was more unique and therefore more timeless. The Toyota chassis appears very stiff to me... but the metal overall seems thin - I don't know if this is bad, but I was impressed with what looked to me like an inexpensive chassis. Interior stuff seemed adequate... not luxury but not cheap either. Seats were designed for holding you in, not ease of getting in and out; this is another clue that the car was targeted to enthusiasts. The seats were more performance than my 2000 Boxster S's standard seats.
My friend spent one day at Summit Point with the car and was disappointed. The car was clearly designed to a price point, so if you really want to track the car, you need to do some upgrades... so he said. He experienced brake fade for one thing, and big plowing. The brakes, as Grant recommended, may be improved by different pads and performance fluid.... which he did purchase but we haven't installed yet. The plowing.... well, some are just putting slicks or bigger tires on it, or, as my friend did, highly adjustable coil overs to adjust the suspension geometry. Our Porsches, are track ready right from the showroom floor; of course if you put on some slicks, you will have to do some upgrades, but in general, you won't experience brake fade if you drive a Porsche right from the dealer to the track.
Others are suggesting oil-coolers which are actually really easy to install. This Subaru is really easy to work on with tons of space and access. It appears they designed the car for enthusiasts IMHO. One guy said the higher oil temps will lower horsepower.... Hmm........ but, the track guys are buying the oil coolers. Other common upgrades are brakes, wheels etc.
So, my friend has a track day coming up in a few weeks so if you are interested, I can post his report with these changes.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
Changed By: Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S)
Change Date: May 31, 2013 10:15AM
Well.... Driving Impressions
Change Date: May 31, 2013 10:15AM
Well.... Driving Impressions
BRZ is 200HP @ 2762 therefore a bit underpowered to me. I think he paid about $27,000 for it.... One hell of a deal for a car this price.
My impressions given I've driven the car three times. Fun as heck! A really fun sports car. I think they really got it right with this car. I also love the looks. I think these looks are stylized to the times, targeted to younger folks, and may not look good in five years or so, but still a good looking car. Boxster styling was more unique and therefore more timeless. The Toyota chassis appears very stiff to me... but the metal overall seems thin - I don't know if this is bad, but I was impressed with what looked to me like an inexpensive chassis. Interior stuff seemed adequate... not luxury but not cheap either. Seats were designed for holding you in, not ease of getting in and out; this is another clue that the car was targeted to enthusiasts. The seats were more performance than my 2000 Boxster S's standard seats.
My friend spent one day at Summit Point with the car and was disappointed. The car was clearly designed to a price point, so if you really want to track the car, you need to do some upgrades... so he said. He experienced brake fade for one thing, and big plowing. The brakes, as Grant recommended, may be improved by different pads and performance fluid.... which he did purchase but we haven't installed yet. The plowing.... well, some are just putting slicks or bigger tires on it, or, as my friend did, highly adjustable coil overs to adjust the suspension geometry. Our Porsches, are track ready right from the showroom floor; of course if you put on some slicks, you will have to do some upgrades, but in general, you won't experience brake fade if you drive a Porsche right from the dealer to the track.
Others are suggesting oil-coolers which are actually really easy to install. This Subaru is really easy to work on with tons of space and access. It appears they designed the car for enthusiasts IMHO. One guy said the higher oil temps will lower horsepower.... Hmm........ but, the track guys are buying the oil coolers. Other common upgrades are brakes, wheels etc.
So, my friend has a track day coming up in a few weeks so if you are interested, I can post his report with these changes.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
My impressions given I've driven the car three times. Fun as heck! A really fun sports car. I think they really got it right with this car. I also love the looks. I think these looks are stylized to the times, targeted to younger folks, and may not look good in five years or so, but still a good looking car. Boxster styling was more unique and therefore more timeless. The Toyota chassis appears very stiff to me... but the metal overall seems thin - I don't know if this is bad, but I was impressed with what looked to me like an inexpensive chassis. Interior stuff seemed adequate... not luxury but not cheap either. Seats were designed for holding you in, not ease of getting in and out; this is another clue that the car was targeted to enthusiasts. The seats were more performance than my 2000 Boxster S's standard seats.
My friend spent one day at Summit Point with the car and was disappointed. The car was clearly designed to a price point, so if you really want to track the car, you need to do some upgrades... so he said. He experienced brake fade for one thing, and big plowing. The brakes, as Grant recommended, may be improved by different pads and performance fluid.... which he did purchase but we haven't installed yet. The plowing.... well, some are just putting slicks or bigger tires on it, or, as my friend did, highly adjustable coil overs to adjust the suspension geometry. Our Porsches, are track ready right from the showroom floor; of course if you put on some slicks, you will have to do some upgrades, but in general, you won't experience brake fade if you drive a Porsche right from the dealer to the track.
Others are suggesting oil-coolers which are actually really easy to install. This Subaru is really easy to work on with tons of space and access. It appears they designed the car for enthusiasts IMHO. One guy said the higher oil temps will lower horsepower.... Hmm........ but, the track guys are buying the oil coolers. Other common upgrades are brakes, wheels etc.
So, my friend has a track day coming up in a few weeks so if you are interested, I can post his report with these changes.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
Original Message
Author: Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S)Date: May 31, 2013 10:15AM
Well....
BRZ is 200HP @ 2762 therefore a bit underpowered to me. I think he paid about $27,000 for it.... One hell of a deal for a car this price.
My impressions given I've driven the car three times. Fun as heck! A really fun sports car. I think they really got it right with this car. I also love the looks. I think these looks are stylized to the times, targeted to younger folks, and may not look good in five years or so, but still a good looking car. Boxster styling was more unique and therefore more timeless. The Toyota chassis appears very stiff to me... but the metal overall seems thin - I don't know if this is bad, but I was impressed with what looked to me like an inexpensive chassis. Interior stuff seemed adequate... not luxury but not cheap either. Seats were designed for holding you in, not ease of getting in and out; this is another clue that the car was targeted to enthusiasts. The seats were more performance than my 2000 Boxster S's standard seats.
My friend spent one day at Summit Point with the car and was disappointed. The car was clearly designed to a price point, so if you really want to track the car, you need to do some upgrades... so he said. He experienced brake fade for one thing, and big plowing. The brakes, as Grant recommended, may be improved by different pads and performance fluid.... which he did purchase but we haven't installed yet. The plowing.... well, some are just putting slicks or bigger tires on it, or, as my friend did, highly adjustable coil overs to adjust the suspension geometry. Our Porsches, are track ready right from the showroom floor; of course if you put on some slicks, you will have to do some upgrades, but in general, you won't experience brake fade if you drive a Porsche right from the dealer to the track.
Others are suggesting oil-coolers which are actually really easy to install. This Subaru is really easy to work on with tons of space and access. It appears they designed the car for enthusiasts IMHO. One guy said the higher oil temps will lower horsepower.... Hmm........ but, the track guys are buying the oil coolers. Other common upgrades are brakes, wheels etc.
So, my friend has a track day coming up in a few weeks so if you are interested, I can post his report with these changes.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
My impressions given I've driven the car three times. Fun as heck! A really fun sports car. I think they really got it right with this car. I also love the looks. I think these looks are stylized to the times, targeted to younger folks, and may not look good in five years or so, but still a good looking car. Boxster styling was more unique and therefore more timeless. The Toyota chassis appears very stiff to me... but the metal overall seems thin - I don't know if this is bad, but I was impressed with what looked to me like an inexpensive chassis. Interior stuff seemed adequate... not luxury but not cheap either. Seats were designed for holding you in, not ease of getting in and out; this is another clue that the car was targeted to enthusiasts. The seats were more performance than my 2000 Boxster S's standard seats.
My friend spent one day at Summit Point with the car and was disappointed. The car was clearly designed to a price point, so if you really want to track the car, you need to do some upgrades... so he said. He experienced brake fade for one thing, and big plowing. The brakes, as Grant recommended, may be improved by different pads and performance fluid.... which he did purchase but we haven't installed yet. The plowing.... well, some are just putting slicks or bigger tires on it, or, as my friend did, highly adjustable coil overs to adjust the suspension geometry. Our Porsches, are track ready right from the showroom floor; of course if you put on some slicks, you will have to do some upgrades, but in general, you won't experience brake fade if you drive a Porsche right from the dealer to the track.
Others are suggesting oil-coolers which are actually really easy to install. This Subaru is really easy to work on with tons of space and access. It appears they designed the car for enthusiasts IMHO. One guy said the higher oil temps will lower horsepower.... Hmm........ but, the track guys are buying the oil coolers. Other common upgrades are brakes, wheels etc.
So, my friend has a track day coming up in a few weeks so if you are interested, I can post his report with these changes.
Peace
Bruce in Philly