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Message: Good points, Bruce
Changed By: MikenOH
Change Date: November 19, 2013 11:01AM
Good points, Bruce
Change Date: November 19, 2013 11:01AM
Good points, Bruce
As far as raising the role of PCA on this IMS issue, if you go through the tech session discussions in the Pano archives, the various problems with this motor--IMS/slipped sleeves--have be discussed in detail and the tech writers didn't come off as apologists IIRC.Short of raising the issue with their members in as factual a way as they can, I'm not sure what else they could have done. As Grant mentioned, Porsche had the numbers on failures and I don't think they made them public until the class action attorneys got involved. Speaking of attorneys, Pedro--do know how much the class action attorneys got paid on this? % of settlement?
Bruce-you are dead on regarding the analogy with the BMW engine problems, IIRC, which involved early E46 M3 motors grenading.
They tried to blow off the problem initially, but soon realized it was their problem and it affected a lot of people. The extended warranty was the solution to protect their name and their customers investment in the cars; MB also did this in the same time frame on a different engine issue.
Porsche chose not to go down that road for their own reasons, going the class action route which I think mitigated their potential expenses on making the problem go away. Good for Porsche, no so good if you're an owner that got stuck paying for this out of your own pocket or have an model with the design that hasn't failed but may have lost significant resale value.
I think Porsche has read their market well and knows what the hot button is for their current and potential buyers;that knowledge keeps the faithful coming back , while bringing in new aficionados pursuing the same dream.
Bruce-you are dead on regarding the analogy with the BMW engine problems, IIRC, which involved early E46 M3 motors grenading.
They tried to blow off the problem initially, but soon realized it was their problem and it affected a lot of people. The extended warranty was the solution to protect their name and their customers investment in the cars; MB also did this in the same time frame on a different engine issue.
Porsche chose not to go down that road for their own reasons, going the class action route which I think mitigated their potential expenses on making the problem go away. Good for Porsche, no so good if you're an owner that got stuck paying for this out of your own pocket or have an model with the design that hasn't failed but may have lost significant resale value.
I think Porsche has read their market well and knows what the hot button is for their current and potential buyers;that knowledge keeps the faithful coming back , while bringing in new aficionados pursuing the same dream.
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Author: MikenOHDate: November 19, 2013 10:59AM
Good points, Bruce
As far as raising the role of PCA on this IMS issue, if you go through the tech session discussions in the Pano archives, the various problems with this motor--IMS/slipped sleeves--have be discussed in detail and the tech writers didn't come off as apologists IIRC.Short of raising the issue with their members in as factual a way as they can, I'm not sure what else they could have done. As Grant mentioned, Porsche had the numbers on failures and I don't think they made them public until the class action attorneys got involved. Speaking of attorneys, Pedro--do know how much the class action attorneys got paid on this? % of settlement?
Bruce-you are dead on regarding the analogy with the BMW engine problems, IIRC, which involved early E46 M3 motors grenading.
They tried to blow off the problem initially, but soon realized it was their problem and it affected a lot of people. The extended warranty was the solution to protect their name and their customers investment in the cars; MB also did this in the same time frame on a different engine issue.
Porsche chose not to go down that road for their own reasons, going the class action route which I think mitigated their potential expenses on making the problem go away. Good for Porsche, no so good if you're an owner that got stuck paying for this out of your own pocket or have an model with the design that hasn't failed but may have lost significant resale value.
I think Porsche has read their market well and knows what the hot button is for their current and potential buyers;that knowledge keeps the faithful coming back while in new aficionados pursuing the same dream.
Bruce-you are dead on regarding the analogy with the BMW engine problems, IIRC, which involved early E46 M3 motors grenading.
They tried to blow off the problem initially, but soon realized it was their problem and it affected a lot of people. The extended warranty was the solution to protect their name and their customers investment in the cars; MB also did this in the same time frame on a different engine issue.
Porsche chose not to go down that road for their own reasons, going the class action route which I think mitigated their potential expenses on making the problem go away. Good for Porsche, no so good if you're an owner that got stuck paying for this out of your own pocket or have an model with the design that hasn't failed but may have lost significant resale value.
I think Porsche has read their market well and knows what the hot button is for their current and potential buyers;that knowledge keeps the faithful coming back while in new aficionados pursuing the same dream.