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Message: Yes, clearer. My thoughts below:
Changed By: grant
Change Date: July 21, 2015 04:45PM
Yes, clearer. My thoughts below:
Change Date: July 21, 2015 04:45PM
Yes, clearer. My thoughts below:
[i]Arm restraints are a DE minimum requirement when running top down w/ PCA, no?[/i]
yes, they are. Neither of those were PCA events.
to clarify what pedro wrote below (above, i never figure out where it gets placed...) - for HPDE (not club racing) Boxsters or any other convertible car run -- and without arm restraints - with the soft top up; one need not have the hard top. Some tracks also require a roll bar or extensions; others do not. They are required at VIR, LRP and NJMP for 986s but not for 987s or 981s. Add-on bars are similarly required for 911 cabrios since the pyrotechnic roll bars are not permanently deployed nor visible until all goes upside-down. These differences are determined by a) track policy and b) state police laws. Pocono, by the way is governed under PA law ( duh) and is not a restrictive as other tracks. Ditto WGI. As the tech chair for NNJR and the Ax chair for NNJR i've had the displeasure of learning these ins and outs :-)
[i]Relative to your comment about not being able to easily signal... If you think it's hard/unsafe signalling in arm restraints, it's even harder passing someone wearing them because:
tough seeing point by being given
pucker factor for "pointee" as more than once I've seen pointer spin b/c they jerked wheel either giving or whilst pulling arm back down from point by[/i]
Agree, and at least as i see it, that's another reason that the PCA rule may not be all that smart. There are trade offs to the use of restraints and overall i don't like them, t lest for non-racing events.
Further, at very "learning oriented" events such as those, its essential that i have my hands free in both seats to instruct.
(old joke: how do you gag Grant? "tie his hands")
[i]If you think spotting a point from someone in a Boxster or S2K is tough, you ought to try seeing when given by someone in a Radical or similar.[/i]
BTDT. Agree. And i don't much like using directional signals for a host of reasons i don't have time to type right now!
Grant
yes, they are. Neither of those were PCA events.
to clarify what pedro wrote below (above, i never figure out where it gets placed...) - for HPDE (not club racing) Boxsters or any other convertible car run -- and without arm restraints - with the soft top up; one need not have the hard top. Some tracks also require a roll bar or extensions; others do not. They are required at VIR, LRP and NJMP for 986s but not for 987s or 981s. Add-on bars are similarly required for 911 cabrios since the pyrotechnic roll bars are not permanently deployed nor visible until all goes upside-down. These differences are determined by a) track policy and b) state police laws. Pocono, by the way is governed under PA law ( duh) and is not a restrictive as other tracks. Ditto WGI. As the tech chair for NNJR and the Ax chair for NNJR i've had the displeasure of learning these ins and outs :-)
[i]Relative to your comment about not being able to easily signal... If you think it's hard/unsafe signalling in arm restraints, it's even harder passing someone wearing them because:
tough seeing point by being given
pucker factor for "pointee" as more than once I've seen pointer spin b/c they jerked wheel either giving or whilst pulling arm back down from point by[/i]
Agree, and at least as i see it, that's another reason that the PCA rule may not be all that smart. There are trade offs to the use of restraints and overall i don't like them, t lest for non-racing events.
Further, at very "learning oriented" events such as those, its essential that i have my hands free in both seats to instruct.
(old joke: how do you gag Grant? "tie his hands")
[i]If you think spotting a point from someone in a Boxster or S2K is tough, you ought to try seeing when given by someone in a Radical or similar.[/i]
BTDT. Agree. And i don't much like using directional signals for a host of reasons i don't have time to type right now!
Grant
Original Message
Author: grantDate: July 21, 2015 04:41PM
Yes, clearer. My thoughts below:
[i]Arm restraints are a DE minimum requirement when running top down w/ PCA, no?[/i]
yes, they are. Neither of those were PCA events.
to clarify what pedro wrote below (above, i never figure out where it gets placed...) - for HPDE (not club racing) Boxsters or any other convertible car run -- and without arm restraints - with the soft top up; one need not have the hard top. Some tracks also require a roll bar or extensions; others do not. They are required at VIR, LRP and NJMP for 986s but not for 987s or 981s. Add-on bars are similarly required for 911 cabrios since the pyrotechnic roll bars are not permanently deployed nor visible until all goes upside-down. These differences are determined by a) track policy and b) state police laws. Pocono, by the way is governed under PA law ( duh) and is not a restrictive as other tracks. Ditto WGI. As the tech chair for NNJR and the Ax chair for NNJR i've had the displeasure of learning these ins and outs :-)
[i]Relative to your comment about not being able to easily signal... If you think it's hard/unsafe signalling in arm restraints, it's even harder passing someone wearing them because:
tough seeing point by being given
pucker factor for "pointee" as more than once I've seen pointer spin b/c they jerked wheel either giving or whilst pulling arm back down from point by[/i]
Agree, and at least as i see it, that's another reason that the PCA rule may not be all that smart. There are trade offs to the use of restraints and overall i don't like them, t lest for non-racing events.
[i]If you think spotting a point from someone in a Boxster or S2K is tough, you ought to try seeing when given by someone in a Radical or similar.[/i]
BTDT. Agree. And i don't much like using directional signals for a host of reasons i don't have time to type right now!
Grant
yes, they are. Neither of those were PCA events.
to clarify what pedro wrote below (above, i never figure out where it gets placed...) - for HPDE (not club racing) Boxsters or any other convertible car run -- and without arm restraints - with the soft top up; one need not have the hard top. Some tracks also require a roll bar or extensions; others do not. They are required at VIR, LRP and NJMP for 986s but not for 987s or 981s. Add-on bars are similarly required for 911 cabrios since the pyrotechnic roll bars are not permanently deployed nor visible until all goes upside-down. These differences are determined by a) track policy and b) state police laws. Pocono, by the way is governed under PA law ( duh) and is not a restrictive as other tracks. Ditto WGI. As the tech chair for NNJR and the Ax chair for NNJR i've had the displeasure of learning these ins and outs :-)
[i]Relative to your comment about not being able to easily signal... If you think it's hard/unsafe signalling in arm restraints, it's even harder passing someone wearing them because:
tough seeing point by being given
pucker factor for "pointee" as more than once I've seen pointer spin b/c they jerked wheel either giving or whilst pulling arm back down from point by[/i]
Agree, and at least as i see it, that's another reason that the PCA rule may not be all that smart. There are trade offs to the use of restraints and overall i don't like them, t lest for non-racing events.
[i]If you think spotting a point from someone in a Boxster or S2K is tough, you ought to try seeing when given by someone in a Radical or similar.[/i]
BTDT. Agree. And i don't much like using directional signals for a host of reasons i don't have time to type right now!
Grant