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Message: Impressions of the 718 at a local Porsche dealer's launch today
Changed By: MikenOH
Change Date: July 23, 2016 07:17PM
Impressions of the 718 at a local Porsche dealer's launch today
Change Date: July 23, 2016 07:17PM
Impressions of the 718 at a local Porsche dealer's launch today
--Beachwood Porsche (a Penske store)
Cars--718S with Manual, 718S with PDK and 718 PDK
Equipment--Premium package,14 way seats, stock suspension, exhaust, 20" wheels, NAV, Connect and a few other things
Pricing--$78K for the S w/manual, add $4k for the one with PDK and $74K for the 718 base.
Styling impressions--they all looked good--like the 981 does-- the rear and front facias are OK; I like the changes in the interior--air vents, larger touch screen, the nav unit looked a bit more modern,
Driving impressions--one my first drive in the 718S manual I had a sales person with me on the other drives--same car and then the 718 base, we drove by ourselves.
718S manual:
This car has torque; it seems to come on with a rush to about 6K and then tapers off; very quick--quicker I'd guess than the 981S. Brakes were good and the stock suspension felt solid. Same gearbox as the 981 so it shifted fine. I had no issues with how the car drove, except.....the exhaust.
At idle it sounded like a Subie with an aftermarket exhaust. Not terrible-- as you ran it up through the gears you got some rumble, but when you let off the gas you got a lot of pops and cracks from the over run and they were LOUD. After a while this got tiresome, to the point where I wondered if they built too much noise into the car in search of an an acceptable exhaust note. The overun noises on the 981 are way dialed down compared to the 718S.
718 w/PDK:
Less exhaust noise at start up. Coming on to a street, you need a more throttle to get the car moving. I switch over to manual, switched to paddles and engaged Sport mode and that seemed to fix things a bit, but in auto mode there doesn't seem to be much going on throttle response-wise. Put it back in auto mode, engaged sport mode and started getting on it. After a few stabs at it, it's clear this engine has more boost lag and there didn't seem to be the same rush at 3K up to 6K in the S. It seemed like you had to get way more into the rev range--4k+ --to get it to move. My friend and I were both disappointed with the engine response and thought for $74K there are a lot more interesting cars out their than a 718 base w/PDK.
The outside temps might have had something to do with this with ambient temps in the low 90's. Turbos lose power as the heat goes up and we both thought this might have been the culprit. BTW, the oils temps in the 718S after spirited driving--with sport mode engaged--was approaching 250 deg.F. It made me wonder how hot the oil might get on the track on a warm day.
Last--the 718 base exhaust noise at idle was just like a VW bug of old--amazing.
Conclusions:
The 718S is a good looking, good handling and fast car with an exhaust note that is louder and raspier than it needs to be.
The Base 718 w/PDK driven today was something I would not consider, especially given it's high price. BTW, I have driven both the 981 2.7 with manual and PDK and enjoyed the engine response of those two cars way more than the 718.
Cars--718S with Manual, 718S with PDK and 718 PDK
Equipment--Premium package,14 way seats, stock suspension, exhaust, 20" wheels, NAV, Connect and a few other things
Pricing--$78K for the S w/manual, add $4k for the one with PDK and $74K for the 718 base.
Styling impressions--they all looked good--like the 981 does-- the rear and front facias are OK; I like the changes in the interior--air vents, larger touch screen, the nav unit looked a bit more modern,
Driving impressions--one my first drive in the 718S manual I had a sales person with me on the other drives--same car and then the 718 base, we drove by ourselves.
718S manual:
This car has torque; it seems to come on with a rush to about 6K and then tapers off; very quick--quicker I'd guess than the 981S. Brakes were good and the stock suspension felt solid. Same gearbox as the 981 so it shifted fine. I had no issues with how the car drove, except.....the exhaust.
At idle it sounded like a Subie with an aftermarket exhaust. Not terrible-- as you ran it up through the gears you got some rumble, but when you let off the gas you got a lot of pops and cracks from the over run and they were LOUD. After a while this got tiresome, to the point where I wondered if they built too much noise into the car in search of an an acceptable exhaust note. The overun noises on the 981 are way dialed down compared to the 718S.
718 w/PDK:
Less exhaust noise at start up. Coming on to a street, you need a more throttle to get the car moving. I switch over to manual, switched to paddles and engaged Sport mode and that seemed to fix things a bit, but in auto mode there doesn't seem to be much going on throttle response-wise. Put it back in auto mode, engaged sport mode and started getting on it. After a few stabs at it, it's clear this engine has more boost lag and there didn't seem to be the same rush at 3K up to 6K in the S. It seemed like you had to get way more into the rev range--4k+ --to get it to move. My friend and I were both disappointed with the engine response and thought for $74K there are a lot more interesting cars out their than a 718 base w/PDK.
The outside temps might have had something to do with this with ambient temps in the low 90's. Turbos lose power as the heat goes up and we both thought this might have been the culprit. BTW, the oils temps in the 718S after spirited driving--with sport mode engaged--was approaching 250 deg.F. It made me wonder how hot the oil might get on the track on a warm day.
Last--the 718 base exhaust noise at idle was just like a VW bug of old--amazing.
Conclusions:
The 718S is a good looking, good handling and fast car with an exhaust note that is louder and raspier than it needs to be.
The Base 718 w/PDK driven today was something I would not consider, especially given it's high price. BTW, I have driven both the 981 2.7 with manual and PDK and enjoyed the engine response of those two cars way more than the 718.
Original Message
Author: MikenOHDate: July 23, 2016 07:14PM
Impressions of the 718 at a local Porsche dealer's launch today
--Beachwood Porsche (a Penske store)
Cars--718S with Manual, 718S with PDK and 718 PDK
Equipment--Premium package,14 way seats, stock suspension, exhaust, 20" wheels, NAV, Connect and a few other things
Pricing--$78K for the S w/manual, add $4k for the one with PDK and $74K for the 718 base.
Styling impressions--they all looked good--like the 981 does-- the rear and front facias are OK; I like the changes in the interior--air vents, larger touch screen, the nav unit looked a bit more modern,
Driving impressions--one my first drive in the 718S manual I had a sales person with me on the other drives--same car and then the 718 base, we drove by ourselves.
718S manual:
This car has torque; it seems to come on with a rush to about 6K and then tapers off; very quick--quicker I'd guess than the 981S. Brakes were good and the stock suspension felt solid. Same gearbox as the 981 so it shifted fine. I had no issues with how the car drove, except.....the exhaust.
At idle it sounded like a Subie with an aftermarket exhaust. Not terrible-- as you ran it up through the gears you got some rumble, but when you let off the gas you got a lot of pops and cracks from the over run and they were LOUD. After a while this got tiresome, to the point where I wondered if they built too much noise into the car in search of an an acceptable exhaust note. The overun noises on the 981 are way dialed down compared to the 718S.
718 w/PDK:
Less exhaust noise at start up. Coming on to a street, you need a more throttle to get the car moving. I switch over to manual, switched to paddles and engaged Sport mode and that seemed to fix things a bit, but in auto mode there doesn't seem to be much going on throttle response-wise. Put it back in auto mode, engaged sport mode and started getting on it. After a few stabs at it, it's clear this engine has more boost lag and there didn't seem to be the same rush at 3K up to 6K in the S. It seemed like you had to get way more into the rev range--4k+ --to get it to move. My friend and I were both disappointed with the engine response and thought for $74K there are a lot more interesting cars out their than a 718 base w/PDK.
The outside temps might have had something to do with this with ambient temps in the low 90's. Turbos lose power as the heat goes up and we both thought this might have been the culprit. BTW, the oils temps in the 718S after spirited driving--with sport mode engaged--was approaching 250 deg.F. It made me wonder how hot the oil might get on the track on a warm day.
Last--the exhaust noise at idle was just like a VW bug of old--amazing.
Conclusions:
The 718S is a good looking, good handling and fast car with an exhaust note that is louder and raspier than it needs to be.
The Base 718 w/PDK driven today was something I would not consider, especially given it's high price. BTW, I have driven both the 981 2.7 with manual and PDK and enjoyed the engine response of those two cars way more than the 718.
Cars--718S with Manual, 718S with PDK and 718 PDK
Equipment--Premium package,14 way seats, stock suspension, exhaust, 20" wheels, NAV, Connect and a few other things
Pricing--$78K for the S w/manual, add $4k for the one with PDK and $74K for the 718 base.
Styling impressions--they all looked good--like the 981 does-- the rear and front facias are OK; I like the changes in the interior--air vents, larger touch screen, the nav unit looked a bit more modern,
Driving impressions--one my first drive in the 718S manual I had a sales person with me on the other drives--same car and then the 718 base, we drove by ourselves.
718S manual:
This car has torque; it seems to come on with a rush to about 6K and then tapers off; very quick--quicker I'd guess than the 981S. Brakes were good and the stock suspension felt solid. Same gearbox as the 981 so it shifted fine. I had no issues with how the car drove, except.....the exhaust.
At idle it sounded like a Subie with an aftermarket exhaust. Not terrible-- as you ran it up through the gears you got some rumble, but when you let off the gas you got a lot of pops and cracks from the over run and they were LOUD. After a while this got tiresome, to the point where I wondered if they built too much noise into the car in search of an an acceptable exhaust note. The overun noises on the 981 are way dialed down compared to the 718S.
718 w/PDK:
Less exhaust noise at start up. Coming on to a street, you need a more throttle to get the car moving. I switch over to manual, switched to paddles and engaged Sport mode and that seemed to fix things a bit, but in auto mode there doesn't seem to be much going on throttle response-wise. Put it back in auto mode, engaged sport mode and started getting on it. After a few stabs at it, it's clear this engine has more boost lag and there didn't seem to be the same rush at 3K up to 6K in the S. It seemed like you had to get way more into the rev range--4k+ --to get it to move. My friend and I were both disappointed with the engine response and thought for $74K there are a lot more interesting cars out their than a 718 base w/PDK.
The outside temps might have had something to do with this with ambient temps in the low 90's. Turbos lose power as the heat goes up and we both thought this might have been the culprit. BTW, the oils temps in the 718S after spirited driving--with sport mode engaged--was approaching 250 deg.F. It made me wonder how hot the oil might get on the track on a warm day.
Last--the exhaust noise at idle was just like a VW bug of old--amazing.
Conclusions:
The 718S is a good looking, good handling and fast car with an exhaust note that is louder and raspier than it needs to be.
The Base 718 w/PDK driven today was something I would not consider, especially given it's high price. BTW, I have driven both the 981 2.7 with manual and PDK and enjoyed the engine response of those two cars way more than the 718.