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Message: Re: How to know which are sleeved engines?
Changed By: Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S)
Change Date: July 04, 2018 08:32AM
Re: How to know which are sleeved engines?
Change Date: July 04, 2018 08:32AM
Re: How to know which are sleeved engines?
I assume you want to avoid a sleeved engine because they are bad.... well, engines of this vintage had many different failure modes, a slipped sleeve was just one. How do I know? I had two engines fail in my 2000 Boxster S.
Regarding remanufactured engines, my replacement had an "X" in the number. It did not have a blue dot. There was a belief back then that remanufactured meant used... as Pedro notes, this was not true. One of the reasons folks may have thought this was that Porsche's procedure back then was to crate up a failed engine and ship it back to Germany along with a bottle of the oil. Porsche NEVER provided any feedback to dealerships on the failure of a particular engine.
The shop foreman at my local dealership made a few comments about remanufactured. First, he said they appeared perfectly new and it would be almost impossible to hide that it was used. Second, the engines were failing at such a high rate that there was most likely not enough "remanufactured" engines anyway. In building these engines, a small percentage will fail. If these are called remanufactured, and all replacement engines were truly manufactured, Porsche would have had to have really poor practices on the shop floor to produce so many redone engines. In other words, just because the catalog calls them remanufactured, doesn't mean it failed inspection/testing at some point. In short, it doesn't matter what it is called, you are getting a new engine.
My first engine failed at 47K miles. Tech in Atlanta said he didn't know what it was... didn't think it was the IMS. When it failed it started out sounding like marbles in a plastic box.. I was just slowly maneuvering around a parking lot. Then the sound got worse, the engine was down on power, then sounded like metal clanking away in a can... yikes. No oil spill. What was odd, was about a week prior, I was cruising down an interstate in South Carolina at around 75, and made a snappy lane change... never took my foot off of the gas... and my oil light came on. I immediatly pulled off at ramp exit right in front of me, coasted and shut down the engine. I checked the oil, looked under the car.. etc. etc. nothing ... All looked good. I started the car up and light was not on... I drove over to a gas station, sat there and called my dealership back home... they never heard of this happening and said it was a "fluke". A week later the engine blew. I never had a good explanation for this.
The second time it failed, was at 197K miles, 150K on the engine. For that, I was cruising along on an interstate at around 60 MPH... just cruising... the engine coughed, the car jerked, I threw in the clutch and the dash lit up... engine seized. Would not turn over.... seized solid. The new owner of my carcass put in a used engine and pulled the IMS out to check it out and it was fine. No known reason for this failure either.
Sorry to be a downer, but these are my real experiences. I have since purchased a 2009 C2S... this is the first year of the new DFI, IMS-less engine and it is showing to be a solid design. A bit quirky, as I have some wierd drop out at 27K RMP or thereabouts.... dealer said he "heard about it, , keep an eye on it".. great thanx... others have it most do not. Oh well.... I have 126K on the car and I am happy with it. BTW, the Boxster S was way more fun to drive and the suspension was way better tuned than my C2S.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
Regarding remanufactured engines, my replacement had an "X" in the number. It did not have a blue dot. There was a belief back then that remanufactured meant used... as Pedro notes, this was not true. One of the reasons folks may have thought this was that Porsche's procedure back then was to crate up a failed engine and ship it back to Germany along with a bottle of the oil. Porsche NEVER provided any feedback to dealerships on the failure of a particular engine.
The shop foreman at my local dealership made a few comments about remanufactured. First, he said they appeared perfectly new and it would be almost impossible to hide that it was used. Second, the engines were failing at such a high rate that there was most likely not enough "remanufactured" engines anyway. In building these engines, a small percentage will fail. If these are called remanufactured, and all replacement engines were truly manufactured, Porsche would have had to have really poor practices on the shop floor to produce so many redone engines. In other words, just because the catalog calls them remanufactured, doesn't mean it failed inspection/testing at some point. In short, it doesn't matter what it is called, you are getting a new engine.
My first engine failed at 47K miles. Tech in Atlanta said he didn't know what it was... didn't think it was the IMS. When it failed it started out sounding like marbles in a plastic box.. I was just slowly maneuvering around a parking lot. Then the sound got worse, the engine was down on power, then sounded like metal clanking away in a can... yikes. No oil spill. What was odd, was about a week prior, I was cruising down an interstate in South Carolina at around 75, and made a snappy lane change... never took my foot off of the gas... and my oil light came on. I immediatly pulled off at ramp exit right in front of me, coasted and shut down the engine. I checked the oil, looked under the car.. etc. etc. nothing ... All looked good. I started the car up and light was not on... I drove over to a gas station, sat there and called my dealership back home... they never heard of this happening and said it was a "fluke". A week later the engine blew. I never had a good explanation for this.
The second time it failed, was at 197K miles, 150K on the engine. For that, I was cruising along on an interstate at around 60 MPH... just cruising... the engine coughed, the car jerked, I threw in the clutch and the dash lit up... engine seized. Would not turn over.... seized solid. The new owner of my carcass put in a used engine and pulled the IMS out to check it out and it was fine. No known reason for this failure either.
Sorry to be a downer, but these are my real experiences. I have since purchased a 2009 C2S... this is the first year of the new DFI, IMS-less engine and it is showing to be a solid design. A bit quirky, as I have some wierd drop out at 27K RMP or thereabouts.... dealer said he "heard about it, , keep an eye on it".. great thanx... others have it most do not. Oh well.... I have 126K on the car and I am happy with it. BTW, the Boxster S was way more fun to drive and the suspension was way better tuned than my C2S.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
Changed By: Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S)
Change Date: July 04, 2018 08:32AM
Re: How to know which are sleeved engines?
Change Date: July 04, 2018 08:32AM
Re: How to know which are sleeved engines?
I assume you want to avoid a sleeved engine because they are bad.... well, engines of this vintage had many different failure modes, a slipped sleeve was just one. How do I know? I had two engines fail in my 2000 Boxster S.
Regarding remanufactured engines, my replacement had an "X" in the number. It did not have a blue dot. There was a belief back then that remanufactured meant used... as Pedro notes, this was not true. One of the reasons folks may have thought this was that Porsche's procedure back then was to crate up a failed engine and ship it back to Germany along with a bottle of the oil. Porsche NEVER provided any feedback to dealerships on the failure of a particular engine.
The shop foreman at my local dealership made a few comments about remanufactured. First, he said they appeared perfectly new and it would be almost impossible to hide that it was used. Second, the engines were failing at such a high rate that there was most likely not enough "remanufactured" engines anyway. In building these engines, a small percentage will fail. If these are called remanufactured, and all replacement engines were truly manufactured, Porsche would have had to have really poor practices on the shop floor to produce so many redone engines. In other words, just because the catalog calls them remanufactured, doesn't mean it failed inspection/testing at some point. In short, it doesn't matter what it is called, you are getting a new engine.
My first engine failed at 47K miles. Tech in Atlanta said he didn't know what it was... didn't think it was the IMS. When it failed it started out sounding like marbles in a plastic box.. I was just slowly maneuvering around a parking lot. Then the sound got worse, the engine was down on power, then sounded like metal clanking away in a can... yikes. No oil spill. What was odd, was about a week prior, I was cruising down an interstate in South Carolina at around 75, and made a snappy lane change... never took my foot off of the gas... and my oil light came on. I immediatly pulled off at ramp exit right in front of me, coasted and shut down the engine. I checked the oil, looked under the car.. etc. etc. nothing ... All looked good. I started the car up and light was not on... I drove over to a gas station, sat there and called my dealership back home... they never heard of this happening and said it was a "fluke". A week later the engine blew. I never had a good explanation for this.
The second time it failed, was at 197K miles, 150K on the engine. For that, I was cruising along on an interstate at around 60 MPH... just cruising... the engine coughed, the car jerked, I threw in the clutch and the dash lit up... engine seized. Would not turn over.... seized solid. The new owner of my carcass put in a used engine and pulled the IMS out to check it out and it was fine. No known reason for this failure either.
Sorry to be a downer, but these are my real experiences. I have since purchased a 2009 C2S... this is the first year of the new DFI, IMS-less engine and it is showing to be a solid design. A bit quirky, as I have some wierd drop out at 27K RMP or thereabouts.... dealer said he "heard out it, keep an eye on it".. great thanx... others have it most do not. Oh well.... I have 126K on the car and I am happy with it. BTW, the Boxster S was way more fun to drive and the suspension was way better tuned than my C2S.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
Regarding remanufactured engines, my replacement had an "X" in the number. It did not have a blue dot. There was a belief back then that remanufactured meant used... as Pedro notes, this was not true. One of the reasons folks may have thought this was that Porsche's procedure back then was to crate up a failed engine and ship it back to Germany along with a bottle of the oil. Porsche NEVER provided any feedback to dealerships on the failure of a particular engine.
The shop foreman at my local dealership made a few comments about remanufactured. First, he said they appeared perfectly new and it would be almost impossible to hide that it was used. Second, the engines were failing at such a high rate that there was most likely not enough "remanufactured" engines anyway. In building these engines, a small percentage will fail. If these are called remanufactured, and all replacement engines were truly manufactured, Porsche would have had to have really poor practices on the shop floor to produce so many redone engines. In other words, just because the catalog calls them remanufactured, doesn't mean it failed inspection/testing at some point. In short, it doesn't matter what it is called, you are getting a new engine.
My first engine failed at 47K miles. Tech in Atlanta said he didn't know what it was... didn't think it was the IMS. When it failed it started out sounding like marbles in a plastic box.. I was just slowly maneuvering around a parking lot. Then the sound got worse, the engine was down on power, then sounded like metal clanking away in a can... yikes. No oil spill. What was odd, was about a week prior, I was cruising down an interstate in South Carolina at around 75, and made a snappy lane change... never took my foot off of the gas... and my oil light came on. I immediatly pulled off at ramp exit right in front of me, coasted and shut down the engine. I checked the oil, looked under the car.. etc. etc. nothing ... All looked good. I started the car up and light was not on... I drove over to a gas station, sat there and called my dealership back home... they never heard of this happening and said it was a "fluke". A week later the engine blew. I never had a good explanation for this.
The second time it failed, was at 197K miles, 150K on the engine. For that, I was cruising along on an interstate at around 60 MPH... just cruising... the engine coughed, the car jerked, I threw in the clutch and the dash lit up... engine seized. Would not turn over.... seized solid. The new owner of my carcass put in a used engine and pulled the IMS out to check it out and it was fine. No known reason for this failure either.
Sorry to be a downer, but these are my real experiences. I have since purchased a 2009 C2S... this is the first year of the new DFI, IMS-less engine and it is showing to be a solid design. A bit quirky, as I have some wierd drop out at 27K RMP or thereabouts.... dealer said he "heard out it, keep an eye on it".. great thanx... others have it most do not. Oh well.... I have 126K on the car and I am happy with it. BTW, the Boxster S was way more fun to drive and the suspension was way better tuned than my C2S.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
Original Message
Author: Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S)Date: July 04, 2018 08:26AM
Re: How to know which are sleeved engines?
I assume you want to avoid a sleeved engine because they are bad.... well, engines of this vintage had many different failure modes, a slipped sleeve was just one. How do I know? I had two engines fail in my 2000 Boxster S.
Regarding remanufactured engines, my replacement had an "X" in the number. It did not have a blue dot. There was a belief back then that remanufactured meant used... as Pedro notes, this was not true. One of the reasons folks may have thought this was that Porsche's procedure back then was to crate up a failed engine and ship it back to Germany along with a bottle of the oil. Porsche NEVER provided any feedback to dealerships on the failure of a particular engine.
The shop foreman at my local dealership made a few comments about remanufactured. First, he said they appeared perfectly new and it would be almost impossible to hide that it was used. Second, the engines were failing at such a high rate that there was most likely not enough "remanufactured" engines anyway. In building these engines, a small percentage will fail. If these are called remanufactured, and all replacement engines were truly manufactured, Porsche would have had to have really poor practices on the shop floor to produce so many redone engines. In other words, just because the catalog calls them remanufactured, doesn't mean it failed inspection/testing at some point. In short, it doesn't matter what it is called, you are getting a new engine.
My first engine failed at 47K miles. Tech in Atlanta said he didn't know what it was... didn't think it was the IMS. When it failed it started out sounding like marbles in a plastic box.. I was just slowly maneuvering around a parking lot. Then the sound got worse, the engine was down on power, then sounded like metal clanking away in a can... yikes. No oil spill. What was odd, was about a week prior, I was cruising down an interstate in South Carolina at around 75, and made a snappy lane change... never took my foot off of the gas... and my oil light came on. I immediatly pulled off at ramp exit right in front of me, coasted and shut down the engine. I checked the oil, looked under the car.. etc. etc. nothing ... All looked good. I started the car up and light was not on... I drove over to a gas station, sat there and called my dealership back home... they never heard of this happening and said it was a "fluke". A week later the engine blew. I never had a good explanation for this.
The second time it failed, was at 197K miles, 150K on the engine. For that, I was cruising along on an interstate at around 60 MPH... just cruising... the engine coughed, the car jerked, I threw in the clutch and the dash lit up... engine seized. Would not turn over.... seized solid. The new owner of my carcass put in a used engine and pulled the IMS out to check it out and it was fine. No known reason for this failure either.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
Regarding remanufactured engines, my replacement had an "X" in the number. It did not have a blue dot. There was a belief back then that remanufactured meant used... as Pedro notes, this was not true. One of the reasons folks may have thought this was that Porsche's procedure back then was to crate up a failed engine and ship it back to Germany along with a bottle of the oil. Porsche NEVER provided any feedback to dealerships on the failure of a particular engine.
The shop foreman at my local dealership made a few comments about remanufactured. First, he said they appeared perfectly new and it would be almost impossible to hide that it was used. Second, the engines were failing at such a high rate that there was most likely not enough "remanufactured" engines anyway. In building these engines, a small percentage will fail. If these are called remanufactured, and all replacement engines were truly manufactured, Porsche would have had to have really poor practices on the shop floor to produce so many redone engines. In other words, just because the catalog calls them remanufactured, doesn't mean it failed inspection/testing at some point. In short, it doesn't matter what it is called, you are getting a new engine.
My first engine failed at 47K miles. Tech in Atlanta said he didn't know what it was... didn't think it was the IMS. When it failed it started out sounding like marbles in a plastic box.. I was just slowly maneuvering around a parking lot. Then the sound got worse, the engine was down on power, then sounded like metal clanking away in a can... yikes. No oil spill. What was odd, was about a week prior, I was cruising down an interstate in South Carolina at around 75, and made a snappy lane change... never took my foot off of the gas... and my oil light came on. I immediatly pulled off at ramp exit right in front of me, coasted and shut down the engine. I checked the oil, looked under the car.. etc. etc. nothing ... All looked good. I started the car up and light was not on... I drove over to a gas station, sat there and called my dealership back home... they never heard of this happening and said it was a "fluke". A week later the engine blew. I never had a good explanation for this.
The second time it failed, was at 197K miles, 150K on the engine. For that, I was cruising along on an interstate at around 60 MPH... just cruising... the engine coughed, the car jerked, I threw in the clutch and the dash lit up... engine seized. Would not turn over.... seized solid. The new owner of my carcass put in a used engine and pulled the IMS out to check it out and it was fine. No known reason for this failure either.
Peace
Bruce in Philly