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I thinkl my engine blew.... Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S) - Wednesday, 26 September, 2012, at 8:58:55 pm |
Put in a good used motor and include the LN IMS? grant - Wednesday, 26 September, 2012, at 9:13:34 pm |
Reads like serious engine troubles. Dang. But what would I do? MarcW - Wednesday, 26 September, 2012, at 11:29:11 pm |
Re: I thinkl my engine blew.... JackintheBoxster - Thursday, 27 September, 2012, at 12:13:10 am |
At 198k miles, I say you have a great excuse for a new Boxster. *NM* boxsterd - Thursday, 27 September, 2012, at 12:58:30 am |
I wrote up the options a while ago mikefocke, '01S Sanford, NC - Thursday, 27 September, 2012, at 8:20:27 am |
Verdict: IMS failure - morte Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S) - Thursday, 27 September, 2012, at 10:07:29 am |
My recommendation is to do what I did ... Pedro (Odessa, FL) - Thursday, 27 September, 2012, at 11:03:44 am |
I agree with Pedro (what a surprise...) - thsi is essentialyl what i said all along (much more) grant - Thursday, 27 September, 2012, at 12:01:57 pm |
Good stuff..... keep talking.... I am backing away from the ledge. Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S) - Thursday, 27 September, 2012, at 1:42:55 pm |
Can't help you regarding the 3.4l question. As for what to look for in a used engine when.... MarcW - Thursday, 27 September, 2012, at 2:19:10 pm |
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Bruce In Philly (195K+)
Ok, if I get a used engine: (my mechanic is not real comfortable with this idea as I think he worries about problems after his install)
- Why not a 3.4? I understand that a 2000 or 20001 will go in fairly easily with no DME changes, same harness. Requires some work of course, fuel rails flipped, something in the transmission flipped.... still having trouble finding data except that these two years are "easy".
- Mechanic is now making the typical calls to the well and lesser known dismantlers
- What do I look for in a used engine when talking to a dismantler? Mileage? etc......
yes, good rep and warranty is essential. I will take issue with one of Marc's comment though... grant - Thursday, 27 September, 2012, at 2:57:01 pm |
I'm not sure what is the basis for your comment that if the stock IMS B is replaced.... MarcW - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 10:56:16 am |
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grant
I said replace the IMS with the LN unit. Then you do know, within reason, that it wont fail.
OK, it could. And an asteroid could hit it too. So I'm wrong. But not really.
You have to think about where the motor comes from. A car that got hit in the nose? Good donor: you know why its in the junk yard. You know it was hit at the other end. There is no reason to think its anything more or less than a boxster with XX,000 miles on it.
One that appears OK and is just a tired wreck, i'd avoid.
I agree that the return policy is critical. You would want to ability to receive the motor, take a look at the condition (head off, maybe oil pan off) and then say "yea or nea". Look at valves, look for sludge, look at cross-hatch. I've never done this. maybe you can;t. But i would shop until i had one i was comfortable with.
this is one reason to buy the same motor you have, BTW - you have some spare parts.
Grant
Havign looked at both and held them in my hands, i dont think so grant - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 2:53:54 pm |
Well, I have to disagree with several your points. Replacing an obviously good or even bad part.... MarcW - Saturday, 29 September, 2012, at 12:01:13 pm |
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grant
One is probably over-engineered, btu that's what i want in an area known to have issues.
Plus, any new part has a longer life expectancy - so even replacing it with stock would be a good thing. But i would not, i'd put in the bearing that is larger, made of harder materials, and is designed to catch normal crankcase lubrication, rather than keep it out (and thus depend on grease that came from the factory and spends the next X years going away).
None of us have the statistics that may be available in 10 years. But we don't have 10 years to wait, so we must use our best judgement.
Big means forec and eat distributed over more area and mass
Hard means lower wear ( the balls are hard, the race is not)
Open means better long-term splash lubrication.
QED.
My advice stands, and i put my money where my mouth is!
(there's a joke just lying there about choking on it........)
Grant
Why not a 3.4? grant - Thursday, 27 September, 2012, at 2:50:55 pm |
You sure about that $2K core? When I was quoted the price of a new 02 2.7l engine... MarcW - Thursday, 27 September, 2012, at 2:34:33 pm |
I am pretty sure but I was a bit distraught and we talked about many things. Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S) - Thursday, 27 September, 2012, at 3:00:54 pm |
I have no idea if any have motors or access to one, but i can give you some contacts grant - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 8:56:58 am |
Good idea mikefocke, '01S Sanford, NC - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 8:42:36 am |
On the LN failures Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S) - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 9:26:40 am |
LN failures (!!!???) - i missed that sentence (I have read it now) grant - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 10:22:45 am |
Re: LN failures mikefocke, '01S Sanford, NC - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 8:17:29 pm |
My bearing was purchased in in Sept/Oct of 2010. I presume i then, have a rev2? *NM* grant - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 9:25:21 pm |
Re: My bearing was purchased in in Sept/Oct of 2010. I presume i then, have a rev2? mikefocke, '01S Sanford, NC - Saturday, 29 September, 2012, at 7:16:46 pm |
Too new to fail? Laz - Tuesday, 2 October, 2012, at 8:56:44 am |
Questions on I-shaftless engines - P-car used prices Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S) - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 9:35:03 am |
Interesting how experience changes your reality (and perceptions of it!) Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S) - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 9:52:27 am |
Before the explosion..... jg wnc - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 11:16:36 am |
Re: Before the explosion..... Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S) - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 6:21:19 pm |
Two comments> grant - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 7:32:12 pm |
Re: buy a 911? *NM* diegotola - Tuesday, 2 October, 2012, at 7:38:02 am |
Re: Questions on I-shaftless engines - P-car used prices MikenOH - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 10:03:36 am |
Good point Mike... but.... Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S) - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 10:14:30 am |
Another point of view Guenter in Ontario - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 11:27:00 am |
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Bruce In Philly (195K+)
Just something that is on my mind at this point:
I agree with you about the LN engine - put it this way, there is no way I would buy a new, flawed, Porsche engine.... no way.
But..... and here is where I am really having an issue:. Do I want to put say close to $20K into a meticulously maintained chassis with 197K miles on it? Remember the cooling braking etc. systems are all original and 12 years old.
This is really tough. Oh, FWIW, I really don't find the newer models compelling.... I mean I think they are great, but no big step over what I owned for 12 years. About a month ago I test drove a few year old Caymen with a friend who was considering one, and while the car was "better" than mine, it was not that much better IMO.
Bruce
Why would he rebuild a used engine?... Pedro (Odessa, FL) - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 10:47:47 am |
Re: Why would he rebuild a used engine?... MikenOH - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 11:54:50 am |
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Pedro (Weston, FL)
... with new pistons and rods, lifters, etc?
If you ever open one of these M96/M97 engines you'll see that generally there is no discernible wear on the cylinders, pistons, valves, etc., even at over 200,000 miles!
What I recommend people do is to REFRESH the engine by replacing rings, seals, chain tensioners and IMSB which is not very expensive.
This takes care of most of the engine's wear items and produces a very good used motor for transplant.
I've done this at least a dozen times for customers.
None have regretted it.
Happy Boxstering,
Pedro
I track my car ... Pedro (Odessa, FL) - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 2:09:39 pm |
I completely agree. point by point grant - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 3:51:03 pm |
Re: Why would he rebuild a used engine?... SimonPaul - Wednesday, 30 July, 2014, at 7:45:43 am |
You realize this thread is two years old, right? I bought the car. grant - Wednesday, 30 July, 2014, at 8:45:37 am |
I don't know where you get your info Boxsterra - Saturday, 29 September, 2012, at 1:42:31 am |
Re: I don't know where you get your info MikenOH - Saturday, 29 September, 2012, at 1:24:22 pm |
My CPO experience with my 996 Turbo is the warranty runs 2 years, 100K miles... MarcW - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 11:26:48 am |
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Bruce In Philly (195K+)
Just to grab some data points, I stopped into my local Porsche dealer to see what used, CPO Porsches were going for. I asked an open question "What was the cheapest CPO Boxster S they had in their system?". It appears the CPO warranty is 100K miles (don't know the time limit)
I got a few data points:
1 - '09 Boxster S, 29K miles, $44K,
2 - '07 Caymen S, 18K miles, $42K
3 - '11 Camen S, ??Kmiles, $59K
Again, I just wanted a few data points.
QUESTIONS:
1 - What is the dope on these new shaftless engines, particularly their first year of '09?
2 - Is and '07 shafted car "fixed" by Porsche as the salesman said (OK no jokes here); my indy said the only fix was its redesign and elimination.
Do not assume that because I am looking at used prices that I am going to toss my car; as I said, I am just gathering some data points.
Bruce
Re: My CPO experience with my 996 Turbo is the warranty runs 2 years, 100K miles... mikefocke, '01S Sanford, NC - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 8:59:55 pm |
Re: My CPO experience with my 996 Turbo is the warranty runs 2 years, 100K miles... MikenOH - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 9:10:13 pm |
Good correction *NM* mikefocke, '01S Sanford, NC - Friday, 28 September, 2012, at 9:14:57 pm |
Yes, good correction and reading it prompted me to remember harder.... MarcW - Saturday, 29 September, 2012, at 12:07:21 pm |
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MikenOH
Mike:
If the used car is still under the factory warranty, the CPO covers it for 6 years or 100k miles.
If it is out of warranty, the CPO covers it 2 years from date of purchase or 100K miles.
The 987 I recently traded is on the market with a CPO warranty after having been out of the factory warranty for nearly 3 years.
Some more data Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S) - Saturday, 29 September, 2012, at 10:34:56 am |
Re: Some more data MikenOH - Saturday, 29 September, 2012, at 11:18:10 am |
Still a big difference in price Boxsterra - Sunday, 30 September, 2012, at 9:30:49 am |
I would sell my car to a salvage yard and buy a nice replacement. SMILIN - Saturday, 29 September, 2012, at 10:22:26 pm |
Re: I would sell my car to a salvage yard and buy a nice replacement. MikenOH - Sunday, 30 September, 2012, at 10:58:55 am |
It seems we lost the original logic... which was (for better or worse) grant - Sunday, 30 September, 2012, at 11:30:22 am |
Re: It seems we lost the original logic... which was (for better or worse) patrick - Sunday, 30 September, 2012, at 5:06:48 pm |
Whoa! Endless money pit? My Boxster? Hardly unless I have the wrong concept of what a... MarcW - Sunday, 30 September, 2012, at 9:29:23 pm |
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patrick
I don't know how solid a Porsche Boxster is with nearly 200,000 miles on the suspension and other mechanical parts. I've seen the endless money pit that MarcW has with his 200K Boxster and how much money he has put into that car.
Major mechanical and electrical components wear out and do not last forever. The OP does not do the work himself so repairs can get expensive real fast on these cars.
It seems that putting a $15K plus motor and possibly more to upgrade other parts and systems while the motor is out of the car does not make a lot of financial sense. I would invest maybe $5K tops to get it back on the road as cheaply as possible and take my chances and hope for another 50K miles.
That would be basically putting in a salvage motor.
I can understand being emotionally attached to a car. That is fine if you have the money but sometimes you need to cut your losses and make a practical financial decision. I'm going through this now with a 270K Mercedes I've had for 28 years. The blower motor went out last night. It needs a windshield, motor mounts, transmission mounts, flex discs and the list keeps getting longer. I can do some but not all of the work. I am replacing this car with a pristine 300E I purchased with 100k miles for what it cost to rebuild a tranny or motor on the other one.
With the plethora of good cheap low mileage Boxsters available which is basically equivalent to the amount of money the OP wants to put into a motor alone I would buy another car and further offset the price by selling the other car or make a track car out of it and transfer some of the new parts from the old car to the new if it makes sense. Doing this would give the OP a new car with lower miles and newer components and for less money that putting in a new motor.
Re: Whoa! Endless money pit? My Boxster? Hardly unless I have the wrong concept of what a... MikenOH - Sunday, 30 September, 2012, at 10:31:06 pm |
The top repair, in terms of cost, was the VarioCam solenoid/actuator... MarcW - Monday, 1 October, 2012, at 12:12:25 pm |
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MikenOH
After listening to Marc detail his experience with the car over the past 7 years that I know of, money pit isn't the first word that comes to mind.
Marc--what were the top 3 repairs you've had to do to your car over the past 10 years?
Re: The top repair, in terms of cost, was the VarioCam solenoid/actuator... MikenOH - Monday, 1 October, 2012, at 1:23:44 pm |
Almost always the cheapest Boxster you'll ever have mikefocke, '01S Sanford, NC - Monday, 1 October, 2012, at 9:46:58 am |
Big disconnect. I think a donor motor- before upgrades, is $3500, not $15k grant - Sunday, 30 September, 2012, at 10:13:19 pm |
Re: I thinkl my engine blew.... San Rensho - Monday, 1 October, 2012, at 5:26:58 pm |
That the car has 200K miles means... MarcW - Monday, 1 October, 2012, at 5:50:08 pm |
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San Rensho
You can buy 2002-2003 Boxsters all day for $15-17k. Why in the world would you invest that much for a motor to put in a 2000 with 200k miles?
Re: I thinkl my engine blew.... paulwdenton - Tuesday, 2 October, 2012, at 8:45:55 am |
I am discovering the used market now.... wow Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S) - Tuesday, 2 October, 2012, at 8:51:07 am |
Re: I am discovering the used market now.... wow San Rensho - Thursday, 4 October, 2012, at 12:08:10 pm |
Heck, let Pedro mikefocke, '01S Sanford, NC - Friday, 5 October, 2012, at 8:34:09 am |
Re: I am discovering the used market now.... wow SteveJ (2010 987 base, manual trans) - Friday, 5 October, 2012, at 9:56:15 am |
Re: I thinkl my engine blew.... ericp - Thursday, 7 August, 2014, at 3:06:15 pm |
A consolation: it would be a lot worse if it blew 5,405 miles into the trip! *NM* Laz - Thursday, 7 August, 2014, at 4:05:37 pm |
Re: A consolation: it would be a lot worse if it blew 5,405 miles into the trip! ericp - Thursday, 7 August, 2014, at 4:34:23 pm |
Re: I thinkl my engine blew.... ericp - Thursday, 7 August, 2014, at 3:25:37 pm |
Re: I thinkl my engine blew.... Tino - Thursday, 7 August, 2014, at 4:54:46 pm |
Well, there were two steps. IN ~ 2006 the bearing was roughly doubled in size...(more) grant - Friday, 8 August, 2014, at 8:55:55 am |
A blast from the past SteveJ (2010 987 base, manual trans) - Thursday, 7 August, 2014, at 9:13:08 pm |