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New IMS Solution Announcement mikefocke, '01S Sanford, NC - Sunday, 20 January, 2013, at 9:56:38 pm |
Re: New IMS Solution Announcement SPG356 - Sunday, 20 January, 2013, at 10:10:06 pm |
Re: New IMS Solution Announcement Jake Raby - Sunday, 20 January, 2013, at 10:39:35 pm |
What sort of guarantee are you offering? *NM* Boxsterra - Sunday, 20 January, 2013, at 11:09:38 pm |
"Why debate? Either someone believes in it or they don't" Roger987 - Monday, 21 January, 2013, at 8:38:57 am |
Re: "Why debate? Either someone believes in it or they don't" Dave In MD - Monday, 21 January, 2013, at 9:08:10 am |
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Roger987
Not sure Socrates would have agreed with you. But then, he wasn't much of a thinker, was he.
The old technology you speak of is not apples to apples... The intermediate shaft... MarcW - Monday, 21 January, 2013, at 1:06:41 pm |
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Dave In MD
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Roger987
Not sure Socrates would have agreed with you. But then, he wasn't much of a thinker, was he.
The philosophy department at the University here has a motto: Just think about it. Of course, the converse could be the Nike slogan: Just do it.
Certainly, the use of the "old" technology from the previous Porsche engine design that injected an oil flow into a bearing and didn't seem to have issues that made headlines seems a reasoned potential solution. One of the concerns with the design is the lack of oil flow in both the Porsche sealed and L&N's replacement bearing. Thinking about it is made more difficult, of course, by the lack of empirical evidence. Time will tell if this is better and nothing will be proven without testing it, both during development and in real world use. We know that these bearings have failed and I personally know two cars that have had the factory IMS bearing fail without warning resulting in engine replacements. I also know others that have failed in other ways such as rod failure and cam shaft failure.
Anything mechanical has trade offs against things like longevity, weight, serviceability and performance. Usually, the engineers get it right and sometimes they learn from the experience. Of course, we could also talk about the Boeing Dreamliner problems. At least so far, they haven't had an engine fall off the wing during flight like the DC10...
Well said, Marc...you heretic *NM* Gary in SoFL - Monday, 21 January, 2013, at 1:48:45 pm |
Re: Well said, Marc...you heretic thom4782 - Monday, 21 January, 2013, at 4:47:52 pm |
Why not purchase the IMS Guardian? And, how is it performing in real world? m2 - Thursday, 24 January, 2013, at 6:35:50 pm |
Re: Why not purchase the IMS Guardian? And, how is it performing in real world? Jake Raby - Thursday, 24 January, 2013, at 10:14:18 pm |
Re: New IMS Solution Announcement Jaay - Monday, 21 January, 2013, at 9:03:51 am |
Re: Cost etc. Roger987 - Monday, 21 January, 2013, at 2:52:04 pm |
Re: Cost etc. Gary in SoFL - Monday, 21 January, 2013, at 3:54:26 pm |
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Roger987
I've done all the work on my Boxster with my own hands, again with the benefit of dialogue here (and in the case of my roof, Maurice's very capable hands-on guidance.)
Re: Cost etc. Roger987 - Monday, 21 January, 2013, at 4:55:04 pm |
Nice....I love Mobil 1 *NM* Gary in SoFL - Monday, 21 January, 2013, at 6:26:00 pm |
Re: That is very eloquently stated, as usual... MauriceonLongIsland - Tuesday, 22 January, 2013, at 12:02:01 am |
Re: Cost Dave In MD - Monday, 21 January, 2013, at 7:33:25 pm |
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Jake Raby
"Not sure Socrates would have agreed with you."
Pretty sure that I don't care.
Raby
Re: New IMS Solution Announcement CK in Chatham NJ - Tuesday, 22 January, 2013, at 8:37:01 pm |
Re: New IMS Solution Announcement Jake Raby - Tuesday, 22 January, 2013, at 8:47:45 pm |
Re: New IMS Solution Announcement Ed B - Monday, 21 January, 2013, at 11:03:26 am |
I too had a final solution to the IMS problem.:-) *NM* dennisafrompa - Tuesday, 22 January, 2013, at 7:44:59 am |
Re: Guarantee Gary in SoFL - Tuesday, 22 January, 2013, at 10:08:02 am |
Re: Guarantee Jake Raby - Tuesday, 22 January, 2013, at 7:28:33 pm |
Its that 24 modes part that has me re-thinking the entire IMS issue grant - Tuesday, 22 January, 2013, at 12:35:47 pm |
How can one warranty a part mikefocke, '01S Sanford, NC - Tuesday, 22 January, 2013, at 2:41:54 pm |
You raise a good point. Just to add to it llet me say.... MarcW - Tuesday, 22 January, 2013, at 3:30:10 pm |
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mikefocke, '01S Sanford, NC
that is going in a known contaminated environment in the presence of other known worn parts with future uncertain maintenance any of which could cause trouble and that trouble could be attributed by someone else to the part you are asked to warranty? Recall the recent story of the 917 overrev'ed by a journalist. And the part will, in the future, be installed by someone else.
I recall the customer who switched serial numbers on machinery to get me to replace under warranty, we caught on when the replacements totaled more than he had bought from us.
Maybe for his engines where he builds/rebuilds 'em entirely, they are starting with all fresh parts, and they must use his oil at his specified intervals.
Seems like neither Porsche nor their owners are to be trusted *NM* Gary in SoFL - Tuesday, 22 January, 2013, at 5:16:18 pm |
Re: Its that 24 modes part that has me re-thinking the entire IMS issue MikenOH - Tuesday, 22 January, 2013, at 5:56:04 pm |
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grant
It seems to have gone from unkowwn, to a bad rumour, to accepted, and now to panic.
Yep, IMSes fail.
Yep, i replaced mine (LN) with my clutch. Then another in a different car.
However, as i've even shown first hand, these bearings *can* go 150k. Not sure why some do and others dont.
And, as Jake says, there are other weaknesses which, once an IMS has been repalced once, are likely to be bigger threats to one's motor.
So i agree Jake can't warranty the motor. (But he could warranty the IMS bearing).
More importantly, how much should one spend to strengthen a single, famous, link in a chain, when there are other weak links?
I'm simply saying don't attribute all failrues to IMSes. I've no personalyl seen two that have been diagnosed as failed IMSes, and subsequently held the perfectly good IMS-B in my hand.
Grant
Thanks for the response. Do you recommend... Boxsterra - Wednesday, 23 January, 2013, at 7:50:34 am |
Just out of curiousity.. MikenOH - Wednesday, 23 January, 2013, at 9:49:20 am |
Re: Just out of curiousity.. Jake Raby - Wednesday, 23 January, 2013, at 7:18:10 pm |
Thanks for the reply Jake MikenOH - Thursday, 24 January, 2013, at 8:51:09 am |
Re: Thanks for the reply Jake Jake Raby - Thursday, 24 January, 2013, at 10:15:29 pm |