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E-power steering - yep, it IS a Low Pass Filter grant - Tuesday, 20 August, 2013, at 6:41:11 pm |
But.... Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S) - Tuesday, 20 August, 2013, at 7:24:47 pm |
Good grief. You want light doors get a Festiva. I like the Porsche "heavy" doors and their... MarcW - Tuesday, 20 August, 2013, at 8:25:43 pm |
C'mon Marc..... Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S) - Tuesday, 20 August, 2013, at 9:25:04 pm |
Re: C'mon Marc..... m4240z - Tuesday, 20 August, 2013, at 9:37:20 pm |
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Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S)
A bit extreme? Get some sleep.
The issue is that sports cars.... by common definition..... are light, maneuverable, and quick. Someone wrote something like "you could race it if you had to" as a definition of a sports car. The image of the 911 is this and deservedly so... in the past. I believe the doors on my 2009 C2S are intentionally heavy to be part of a luxury market experience and not the consequence of a sports car design objective. I believe, and I admit I could be wrong here, is that the door was purposely made heavy as the image buyer expects that for his/her money. This is not what I expected when I "upgraded" to one of the world's sports car icons. Note "sports car icons". Luxury is OK by me, as long as it doesn't interfere too much with the sports car driving experience. Weight, particularly weight added for marketing purposes, is a real disappointment to me.
If you want power, prestige, and comfort for highway driving, nothing beats weight, a big engine, and a long wheel base. This is not in the definition of a sports car.
Others are doing it.... BMW's M3 is a lead brick. Powerful and fast but a big dead, lead brick. Oh well....... Porsche is the most profitable car company in the world measured on a profit per unit basis.... they must be doing something correctly as they are serving their investors well. I do suspect they are cashing in on their old, hard won image and with so much prosperity coming on-line in the world, big fake boobs sell. Image buyers far outstrip performance buyers.
Peace
Bruce in Philly
This is happening to every car on the planet. Porsche, despite its moves is among the holdouts that grant - Wednesday, 21 August, 2013, at 8:05:23 am |
Re: This is happening to every car on the planet. Porsche, despite its moves is among the holdouts that m4240z - Wednesday, 21 August, 2013, at 8:33:33 am |
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grant
...still gets driver involvement. I do think that part of the difference is the 911 vs the 981/986. Porsche knows the cross section of buyers differs. Few buy a Boxster as a status symbol (Porsche with panties, anyone?).
The other problem is that Porsche once sold to a select group who sought out an uncommon little car that delivered on real performance and was different. No more. Now Porsche is the status quo, bought (i'll bet) mainly by relatively wealthy professionals who may want the sports car they can finally have, but also wan the prestige, and won't give up some creature comforts on their way to and from work and the golf club.
The result? A healthy and widely support brand, but one that must dilute itself.
BTW if you thought your old Boxster was raw and communicative, try it now :-)
Grant
Re: But.... MikenOH - Wednesday, 21 August, 2013, at 11:42:06 am |
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Bruce In Philly (2000 S Boxster, now '09 C2S)
I am relatively new to Porsche with only two cars of ownership, a 2000 Boxster S and a 2009 C2S and neither of these were the air cooled car that made them world famous. In just these two examples, they numbed the car more with my newer model. The Boxster was much more fun to drive than my 2009 C2S. My C2S is just a rocket-powered GT cruiser.... it feels heavy and numb compared to the Boxster. I can't imagine what it would have been to drive a 1960s era car (do I really want that? Hmmmm.....).
Peace
Bruce in Philly
Re: But.... m4240z - Wednesday, 21 August, 2013, at 12:15:00 pm |
I think i'd be plenty happy with pure manbual steering on my 986 and S just as is. grant - Wednesday, 21 August, 2013, at 2:58:08 pm |
Here's the solution Laz - Wednesday, 21 August, 2013, at 3:41:56 pm |
That's about as direct as it gets.......... *NM* MikenOH - Wednesday, 21 August, 2013, at 3:56:08 pm |
Re: I think i'd be plenty happy with pure manbual steering on my 986 and S just as is. m4240z - Wednesday, 21 August, 2013, at 4:40:40 pm |
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grant
If i had more energy i juts might try it. We'll see.
Rack out of a, say 964 (or old VW scirocco!), and some tie rods with lots of adjust-ability. How to mate to the steering and maintain safety would be a big concern of mine...
Grant